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[WeedGuru_Flow]

I want to start off by saying that I've only watched the first video. I wish I had seen this thread earlier because I would have had a lot more to say on the topic. I do find war crimes to be an unfortunate negative reality... but to single out the United States is absolutely ridiculous. The information which is provided by the media can go both ways Toonces. You've used it to demonstrate the negative side. Where are the soldiers being interviewed from various genocides and horrendous battles which are taking place in Africa? The world is a fucked up place, period. Civilian murders, rapes, tortures, etc., all happen during any war that ever takes place. Soldiers in any combat are human, and there are fucked up humans in the world who have no morals... this does not just apply to soldiers who represent the United States. I think much of the discussion stems from the fact that the United States is one of the most powerful nations in the world. I do believe that we are in fact lucky that this is the case. We are growing up during a period of time where the worst thing we can discuss is whether or not a war on terror was legitimate? Do you even realize what type of people have held power on this very planet not even so long ago and what they have done? The negative impact of the American government cannot even be compared to some of the atrocious acts which have been seen before. There are plenty of other wars and genocides to discuss which are happening every day in the 21st century and yet people want to single out America? I'm not even American and think that that is fucked up.

You shouldn't be proud of a country just because you're born there, that's stupid as fuck What if you're country has done fucked up shit, you're going to support it just because it just so happened you were born there? That's backwards thinking to me. I fucking hate patriotism because it's basically just the people in government that have done all the fucked up shit trying to justify it, by instilling this patriotism in the people "support the country you were born in! dont think about the bad shit that happened though, although if you do think about it then support it because it's YOUR country, YOU live here BE PROUD.

Fuck that shit, nobody is going to tell me what I should be proud of or for what reasons. I have my own mind and I'll come to my own conclusions, and so should you.

If I were born in America, I would definitely be proud to be American, regardless of the apparent international view of the United States. The United States is a wonderful place, where people have a chance to live happy lives and earn a living. Your view on patriotism is extremely skewed. I don't know where you've got the information that it is the government that tries to instill patriotism into its people, because that's just not true. People develop their own opinions, and I'm almost certain that had you been born in America you would have been a happy, ambitious person looking to become something in life. Clearly then, I believe your view on 'American ignorance' to be ignorant in itself. Yes, there are certainly people who are misinformed and will support the government no matter what they do. However there are also those who understand that there are problems in the government, yet simply have no power to do anything about it. Lack of action is not synonymous with ignorance. What then? I guess moving out of the United States is surely the only answer.... whether or not it provides the best economic opportunities for the individual and his or her family [/sarcasm]. It's a whole lot easier to be a 'revolutionist' on paper than to actually do something about it.

Nothing good has ever come out of America? Yeah..... right.... okay guys.

Hmm, let me think,


Your economy runs on the hard work of poor people, once you get sick for an extended period of time you are not protected from losing your job and your income --> you keep on working or you lose your job, fun!

Your educational system is one of the worst on the planet, you are breeding your young ones to become mindless,dogmatic,religious drones, and I'm not even talking about how fucked up it is the military has such a high place in your society.

Nothing good has ever come out of America is an exaggeration, of course,good things came from the US. But that does not mean you with your mere 200 year history aren't the most violent nation on the globe.

Pretty much every conflict since wwII had Americans behind it, you started useless wars supposedly to protect your nation and your freedom.

FROM WHAT? NO FOREIGN ARMY HAS SET FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE YOU BECAME INDEPENDENT! All you do is get greedy and start conflicts in your own interest, you are a war economy addicted to crude oil and blood.


You use democracy and freedom as shrouds to try and obscure what you really are : An immature nation that's gone haywire and lost control of it's own actions, and now the rest of the world has to take all the shit the US throws at it.


And then there's people that get offended when the rest of the world thinks Americans are nothing but big babies,blinded by religion,patriotism and arrogance. You voted for bush TWICE,that will never be forgiven or forgotten, everything the US does has some sort of impact on the rest of the planet, but the average American doesn't give two shits about what's happening outside the US, hell I doubt they even care what happens outside their state lines, as most Americans never even see things outside the US.



So in short Chris, yeah you did some good things, but that does not justify being an ignorant,arrogant,power-money and warhungry 'puppy' nation.

Because 200 years of warfare and patriotism isn't something to be proud of, it's actually kind of resembles how things go there : in a straight line with only power in mind.


and as always i'm talking in general, not every single American is a mindless baby but apparently if you look at the masses they are a majority.


You know that saying : taking a look on the other side of the fence?

That's something the USA never learned.

[Bubbles]

Flow, could you make a write up about Canada next?

i want to see how much negative its possible to pull out of information about Canada.

[Weedguru_Falkon]

Well thats easy.

Your government its too... lacking.

And your weed is probably better. And cheaper.

And you assholes kill people with sleds on ice.

[Bubbles]

heehee'd

we dont have a government. we have a political party that changes their name every 3 days and acts like they do stuff but they dont.

[cutthecashflow]

America

I wake up in the morning in my cozy bed with blankets that are American flags. I then take a heated shower, eat breakfast from produce made within my own country “help support that domestic product” I think, it would be a shame if I had to start buying my eggs from the Japanese; they might retaliate on Pearl Harbor. I have to take a shit, in this case, it’s ok to use toilet paper made by the Japanese because my patriotic pride does not allow me to wipe my ass with an American product. It’s now time to take out my oversized, overpriced bible and pray to my made up Western god who seems to have managerial control over Buddha and Allah. It’s off to the university, which must be just a place to clone me into someone like everyone else, a place that does not create intellectual independent thought, or offer room for improvement. “Oh, the rest of the world has a superior educational system” this is the thought running through my mind, as my acceptance letter to Harvard sits in my backpack. How will I ever manage to cope with the rest of the world where a high school diploma allows someone to take on the job title of nuclear physicists, astronauts, or chemical engineer? Hell, at least America can breed the athlete.

Midday arrives and it’s time for me to hop on my horse and go kill some Injuns, naturally I’m an ethnocentric bastard who only cares about killing everyone else and drilling for oil. If I kill these Injuns I can have their land and their resources, hell might as well go shoot some radical Islamic Jihad terrorist while I’m at it to. As long as I don’t kill the White man I should be left unpunished. Ah, a bunch of pissed off terrorists fly a plane into two international building, but I think I’ll just sit back and respect their viewpoint while not lifting a finger in anger. My thoughts start racing again “How come no one has ever invaded America” then I remember the Brits, yes that’s right the Brits invaded America, but of course this can’t be true because during the revolutionary war the Brits were the rightful landowners of America, so no one has actually invaded my home soil. Oh, how sad this makes me, maybe we should just lower our defenses and invite some nation to come in and implement its laws, customs, economy, and beliefs upon us so maybe we can learn a thing or two about sensitivity and world viewpoints…… (Naturally America hasn’t been invaded because two large oceans make up our east and west borders, while Canada is to the north, and Mexico to the south. Who is going to invade us and how?).

Now the afternoon arises and it is my time to go have unprotected sex with a cracked out prostitute from the projects in exchange for heroin. Ah, I forget to pull out, that puss infested snatch is just too appealing; looks like a young CTCF is on the way. But I can’t have this; it might entail responsibility and force me to get a job. I sell some more heroin and save up enough money to have that fucking placenta sucked out with a vacuum cleaner, joy for modern medicine and technology. Now it’s off to my job, which is union so I can work hard, get a good salary, have health and insurance benefits, and not have the fear of getting fired for no reason; god I feel great. Oh, but this can’t be how it works, there can’t be benefits in America, people cannot work for that long without getting fired; yes that’s right we all work at Wal-Marts and McDonalds, we also get fired every other month so our benefits don’t build up, this way the bureaucratic mindfuck can get larger and larger, while the people suffer and suffer….. yea we are all a bunch of shitheads with informal educations that work in sawmills and don’t contribute to society at all, except for the production of tanks, machine guns, mindless soldiers, and air craft cruisers……

Nightfall, did I brush my teeth, did I pray to god, did I salute the American flag? I wonder if a small nation has been taken over today. Hell we can just kill anyone that doesn’t look like us, think like us, or act like us. We have that power, it’s alright to throw our money bloodlessly into war and genocide of nations, and after all if this is how the government wants us to think, then I am a-OK with it. I feel ok though, because we are also the nation that provides the most humanitarian support throughout the world, this must bring us to a balance; I can now rest easy. I try to fall asleep, but a thought disturbs me “What if there is one person half way across the globe that doesn’t like Americans”. Oh what a shame that would be; the audacity to voice their dislike of America; Good god man, if I were to voice my dislike for any other country than my own I would be called a bigot, a mongrel of sorts, someone with no class or dignity. I better just hate my own country so I can please other people around the globe, but God forbid if I have a problem with Kazakhstan I am no officially labeled a scum dog American who is greedy, selfish, and only cares about national interests. Why should I put my nation first when there are over 150 other nations. Perhaps we should outsource all of our jobs to these other 150 countries, give them our governmental and technological secrets, empty our gold reserves, and bow down to their every wish. Perhaps this may level the playing field.

I’ve been here for seven years and anytime an ethnocentrism develops it is against America, Americans, Democracy, etc. Since the rest of the world is so goddam smart, have at it, run the country, run the world for all I care. These political debates are always biased in one direction or another and their arguments are always circular in nature: America is bad, they are the bully, because they are the bully they are bad. Round and round on the merry go round we go where it stops nobody knows. I’m sorry I am comfortable with my style of life, I’m sorry I have a diverse and unique landscape filled with people of multiple races, religion, and ethnic backgrounds, I’m sorry that I get to come home and not live in the cold, I’m sorry that I don’t have to worry about my country being invaded by an outside force, I’m sorry that I have the freedom to believe in a free market, I’m sorry that I have the potential to climb the social ladder if I apply myself. I’m sorry there is religious freedom here, I’m sorry I have the right to bear arms, I’m sorry to the rest of the world that I enjoy my country, I’m sorry that I have a military that will protect its citizens, I’m sorry that more American soldiers don’t get killed in battle (what were they thinking when they pulled the trigger, let someone shoot at them first to see if they’re the enemy or not). Soldiers are not human beings, they’re machines designed to kill, they have no family, no loved ones, no opportunities in life. The soldier did not sign up for the military because of its health benefits, or its financial benefits, hell in America we don’t pay our soldiers we recruit them from jail cells all over the country, these are not respectable men; they are animals in disguise.

THIS IS RETARDED, both of my middle fingers are pointed to the sky and the rest of the world, because after all that is what it means to be American.

If you could not understand the sarcasm behind this post, then you should probably be evaluated by a clinical neuropsychologists for possible brain tumors that might be wreaking havoc on your hippocampus, frontal cortex, and limbic system

[Bubbles]

dude, TL fuckin DR

[cutthecashflow]

You voted for bush TWICE,that will never be forgiven or forgotten,

And Germany elected Hitler to office who went on to create concentration camps that brought the massive and inhumane genocide of millions of people. I guess we all are prone to mistakes.

[Bubbles]

I want to start off by saying that I've only watched the first video. I wish I had seen this thread earlier because I would have had a lot more to say on the topic. I do find war crimes to be an unfortunate negative reality... but to single out the United States is absolutely ridiculous. The information which is provided by the media can go both ways Toonces. You've used it to demonstrate the negative side. Where are the soldiers being interviewed from various genocides and horrendous battles which are taking place in Africa? The world is a fucked up place, period. Civilian murders, rapes, tortures, etc., all happen during any war that ever takes place. Soldiers in any combat are human, and there are fucked up humans in the world who have no morals... this does not just apply to soldiers who represent the United States. I think much of the discussion stems from the fact that the United States is one of the most powerful nations in the world. I do believe that we are in fact lucky that this is the case. We are growing up during a period of time where the worst thing we can discuss is whether or not a war on terror was legitimate? Do you even realize what type of people have held power on this very planet not even so long ago and what they have done? The negative impact of the American government cannot even be compared to some of the atrocious acts which have been seen before. There are plenty of other wars and genocides to discuss which are happening every day in the 21st century and yet people want to single out America? I'm not even American and think that that is fucked up.

You shouldn't be proud of a country just because you're born there, that's stupid as fuck What if you're country has done fucked up shit, you're going to support it just because it just so happened you were born there? That's backwards thinking to me. I fucking hate patriotism because it's basically just the people in government that have done all the fucked up shit trying to justify it, by instilling this patriotism in the people "support the country you were born in! dont think about the bad shit that happened though, although if you do think about it then support it because it's YOUR country, YOU live here BE PROUD.

Fuck that shit, nobody is going to tell me what I should be proud of or for what reasons. I have my own mind and I'll come to my own conclusions, and so should you.

If I were born in America, I would definitely be proud to be American, regardless of the apparent international view of the United States. The United States is a wonderful place, where people have a chance to live happy lives and earn a living. Your view on patriotism is extremely skewed. I don't know where you've got the information that it is the government that tries to instill patriotism into its people, because that's just not true. People develop their own opinions, and I'm almost certain that had you been born in America you would have been a happy, ambitious person looking to become something in life. Clearly then, I believe your view on 'American ignorance' to be ignorant in itself. Yes, there are certainly people who are misinformed and will support the government no matter what they do. However there are also those who understand that there are problems in the government, yet simply have no power to do anything about it. Lack of action is not synonymous with ignorance. What then? I guess moving out of the United States is surely the only answer.... whether or not it provides the best economic opportunities for the individual and his or her family [/sarcasm]. It's a whole lot easier to be a 'revolutionist' on paper than to actually do something about it.

Nothing good has ever come out of America? Yeah..... right.... okay guys.

Hmm, let me think,


Your economy runs on the hard work of poor people, once you get sick for an extended period of time you are not protected from losing your job and your income --> you keep on working or you lose your job, fun!

Your educational system is one of the worst on the planet, you are breeding your young ones to become mindless,dogmatic,religious drones, and I'm not even talking about how fucked up it is the military has such a high place in your society.

Nothing good has ever come out of America is an exaggeration, of course,good things came from the US. But that does not mean you with your mere 200 year history aren't the most violent nation on the globe.

Pretty much every conflict since wwII had Americans behind it, you started useless wars supposedly to protect your nation and your freedom.

FROM WHAT? NO FOREIGN ARMY HAS SET FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE YOU BECAME INDEPENDENT! All you do is get greedy and start conflicts in your own interest, you are a war economy addicted to crude oil and blood.


You use democracy and freedom as shrouds to try and obscure what you really are : An immature nation that's gone haywire and lost control of it's own actions, and now the rest of the world has to take all the shit the US throws at it.


And then there's people that get offended when the rest of the world thinks Americans are nothing but big babies,blinded by religion,patriotism and arrogance. You voted for bush TWICE,that will never be forgiven or forgotten, everything the US does has some sort of impact on the rest of the planet, but the average American doesn't give two shits about what's happening outside the US, hell I doubt they even care what happens outside their state lines, as most Americans never even see things outside the US.



So in short Chris, yeah you did some good things, but that does not justify being an ignorant,arrogant,power-money and warhungry 'puppy' nation.

Because 200 years of warfare and patriotism isn't something to be proud of, it's actually kind of resembles how things go there : in a straight line with only power in mind.


and as always i'm talking in general, not every single American is a mindless baby but apparently if you look at the masses they are a majority.


You know that saying : taking a look on the other side of the fence?

That's something the USA never learned.

now that i think of it...

war of 1812, Canadians burned down the white house.
Pearl Harbor, japs crapped on hawaii.

[weedguru_animal]

I don't need to watch the videos to get involved here...its enough to read the last page to grab the beast by the balls, hold him close to my face and squeal 'i will deal with you, later'. And that I shall...but after work. I have time only for a rollie then must jump back on the two wheeled lunatic machine and head back into battle...An enjoyable debate is in progress here though, i see it, and feel it, and want to be it...

[WeedGuru_Flow]

Hmm, negative stuff about Canada, éh?


Well there isn't much, since Canada isn't a self-loving bitch of a nation that starts wars around the globe,doesn't have a mass of religious drones ready to 'sign up and get sent out to protect 'our freedom' ' and even though it'll probably have it's problems and issues Canada isn't as narrow-minded and near sighted when it comes to foreign affairs,marijuana and generally how life should be lived.

Oh, I just read that yesterday members of parliament ate seal out of solidarity with the poachers who get sanctioned by the EU

And where the hell did I ever say Belgium's flawless? :')

@CTCF, I'm not German so...yeah, I'm not German and even then I wouldn't be dumb enough to vote for him twice, which is what you guys did with Bush.

[weedguru_animal]

as an englishman, I am in no position to be preaching, for the english history, the very reasons for our relative wealth compared to much of the world, is rooted in war, rape, pillage, conquest. But this is the past??? Almost.

So let me begin, proper, by conceding that the history of my own british blood is drenched with the blood of others, of others who could not defend themselves, who didnt see US coming, who had spears to fight our guns...BUT, and this ia big BUT, we, as a country, changed our stance many moons ago, when controlling our vast empire became untenable. And since then, we have striven to actually help the colonies, to help them develop, to grow, even at the expense of our own riches. Which is hardly honourable, but its a start...
(to be contd...I got distracted...for 5 hours)

[Bubbles]

as an englishman, I am in no position to be preaching, for the english history, the very reasons for our relative wealth compared to much of the world, is rooted in war, rape, pillage, conquest. But this is the past??? Almost.

So let me begin, proper, by conceding that the history of my own british blood is drenched with the blood of others, of others who could not defend themselves, who didnt see US coming, who had spears to fight our guns...BUT, and this ia big BUT, we, as a country, changed our stance many moons ago, when controlling our vast empire became untenable. And since then, we have striven to actually help the colonies, to help them develop, to grow, even at the expense of our own riches. Which is hardly honourable, but its a start...
(to be contd...I got distracted...for 5 hours)

i dont think its fair to include England's medevil era, those middle ages where nasty for every developed country. even as far back as 300-400 years was pretty dirty everywhere.

[cutthecashflow]

@CTCF, I'm not German so...yeah, I'm not German and even then I wouldn't be dumb enough to vote for him twice, which is what you guys did with Bush.

Well, technically Al Gore had more of the popular vote he beat Bush by about 500,000 total votes, but due to the electoral vote Bush won the election. I'm sure most everyone is familiar with this, but it simply means if you win a large state such as Texas you will receive more points (hypothetical number 33) than if you win a small state such as Wyoming (hypothetical number 3). This is where I think the system is the most screwed up, you can receive more total votes as Al Gore did and still lose the election. So in reality, the majority of Americans were thinking clearly, albeit not by much, but due to the electoral college Gore lost the election. This was the first time Bush ran for office, so if it wasn't for the electoral vote, then he never would have been president in the first place.

You probably would have liked Gore Flow, he was huge on environmentalism and one of his major goals was to go green and reduce the United States dependency on foreign oil reserves.

[Weedguru_Falkon]

First off... cashflow, I liked that long post, and probably am one of the few people to read it through, though it does seem, maybe, that your sides got a bit mottled between which you support?

about hitler. When people elected hitler, they had NO FUCKING IDEA that he was going to do what he did.

My grandma was born in and grew up in Berlin. As a kid, when Hitler was running for office, he would stop at her school and visit all the little school girls and boys. He was a very polite man, stopping to shake hands with, and hug, any kids who wanted one. He was polite. Then he started his evil regime, and she fled to America to escape the terror

Good and bad, right and wrong aside, he was a fucking good leader in the sense that he really, REALLY knew how to deliver an address, a speech. Oh, btw... who did these paintings?
(for those of you who just see"Image", source










Doesnt exactly look like the paintings of a killer. anyway.

[Bubbles]

^ Hitler wasnt a 'killer' he was a delusional sociopath