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What the hell, yesterday everything was fine, today my plant looks dead.
I took this picture today around noon, the plant had water - no change in the type or nuits etc.
I had to leave, the lights just kicked off. This plant is in 12/12. I came home 6 hours later, still looks the same. I replanted it, a little root bound but not horrible. What is your thoughts?

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God lord, that's one sad looking plant...never seen one wilted so badly

You sure it's not thirsty? The soil looks awfully dry except for a bit of it

So you changed nothing and it did this?

Have you got bugs?

You say you transplanted it? What did the roots look like? White or brown?
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The replantation sounds to hurt it a lot.
It looks like it had too much heat from your lamps or sun - and not enough water.
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wowwwww that is so depressing
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I did lower the light and move the fan closer. but the heat wasn't bad. I water around 8pm and the lights are on from midnight to noon. when I took the photo the soil was wet. I do have a concern with the auto drip system. What's to stop the water from draining through the pot rather then soaking all the soil? Not sure. The roots were white. It looks the same today and I gave the soil a thorough soaking.

If everything dies then I may switch to MH light and raise me a farm of kids for awhile. For babies, is MH or HPS better?
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Over watering causes mary plants to wilt too, just as much as not giving her enough to drink... Are there any spots or marks on the leaves? Doesn't look like the work of the borg (spidermites), which means you can breathe a small sigh of relief. how fast did it go from being a healthy plant to an unhappy one? Have you been checking the ph of your water?
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homegrownaz wrote:I did lower the light and move the fan closer. but the heat wasn't bad. I water around 8pm and the lights are on from midnight to noon. when I took the photo the soil was wet. I do have a concern with the auto drip system. What's to stop the water from draining through the pot rather then soaking all the soil? Not sure. The roots were white. It looks the same today and I gave the soil a thorough soaking.

If everything dies then I may switch to MH light and raise me a farm of kids for awhile. For babies, is MH or HPS better?
Go with HPS lamps - my first plant ever grew perfectly with it.
so i think it will work good for you too.

I had some help from friends tho - and a complete manual on how to use the various nutriments i had.
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Funny how people respond to a growing thread in Guru Council, but not in the growing forum....

Is this the only plant you have growing now or there are others? If there are others, are they fine? Have you grown your previous plants the exact same way?

If the roots were white, you can atleast rule out root rot as the cause of illness.

The leaves look healthy (nice color, no brown spots)...they are just madly drooping...I think that can rule out nutrient problems. If you examine them very closely are you sure you see no bugs, or tiny specks on the leaves? Look under the leaves too

What's left is overwater, underwater, and rootbound..possibly ph levels too...I think I'm leaning towards rootbound as being the culprit maybe

Need more info though....so hard to diagnose without

Some say MH is supposed to be better for the vegetative cycle cause it's got a blue spectrum of light vs. HPS which has an amber spectrum.Others say no, as MH has less useable light for the plants .

Personally I have never bothered with MH...I've had great success just from HPS. I don't know anybody personally who uses MH either. It's like an unheard of thing here. I only learnt about it online. Like many growing related subjects, most every topic is highly debatable. .. it often comes down to personal preference and choice in the end.

I agree with what Mate and Grrrl have said
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I think she is a lost cause. Nothing was any different yet I've killed 4 large female plants now, all at the same size. So something is not right. I have another baby 4 node plant that I put back under the fluorescent lights. I'm thinking about going back to the beginning, raise a whole forest of babies and then try to flower them all at the same time. I wonder if it is over watering..

Looking back a few days ago, the fan leaves are starting to curl under.
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I had a male plant I removed from the garden and placed on a shelf; kept it as decor.. I haven't watered it in over a week and its still green and alive. (the bottom leaves are starting to die).

How often should a normal healthy plant be watered? My plants get 4g/hour for 2 mins a day which equals 16ounces. (a pint glass)?

How much harder is it to setup a hydro? I know its a faster grow and I could save some cash from having to buy Soil. Don't you need a water basin and an air stone? What could I use on the cheap side to hold the plants?
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If you have had several plants die this way, you definately have a problem. Are the symptoms of death the same??

I have never used an autodrip system, so I don't have any answers for you right now. I will research it a bit for you tonight though....I always happy to learn new things so...

What is the growing medium you have? What kind of soil exactly?

A plant in soil without the auto drip system should not be watered everyday...every couple days usually, assuming you have a largish pot. Marijuana plants don't like to be in constantly soggy soil..But the auto drip is a whole other ballgame that I'm not familiar with so...
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The symptoms are the same. About 2 weeks after a plant goes under the HPS and starts to show male or female. The females have died and the males I cant kill for shit. I left one plant outside in the hot summer sun with nothing but water and it thrived for awhile till my friend ended its life because its a male.

I washed out the res tank and changed to using the nuits that were given to the plants as babies. (18.18.18) or whatever it is..

I looked online a little and I have everything needed to setup the EBB and Flow Hydroponics setup. Just need to figure out the medium to use.

http://www.hydroponics-simplified.com/e ... ponic.html
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I think you have a watering problem that is related to your growing medium and maybe watering schedule

What kinda soil are you using?

Whatever it is I'm pretty sure it doesn't have enough drainage by the looks of it ...
General Soil Characteristics

The texture, pH, and available nutrients of the soil are all related. The most important single factor is texture (good drainage). When soil drains poorly, it creates anaerobic (without air) pockets in the soil. Bacteria or microbes that live without air will begin to multiply and displace beneficial microbes that need air to survive. The anaerobic microbes break down organic matter to a finer consistency, and release CO2 and organic acids to the medium. Drainage worsens, the acids lower the pH, and nutrients, even though present, become unavailable to the plant.

The result can be a four-month-old marijuana plant that is only three inches tall, especially if you use high concentrations of manures and composts, peat and sphagnum moss. If your soil lists manures or composts as additives, add no more than 10 percent of these on your own.

Drainage problems sometimes develop after several months of healthy growth. It is a good idea to add about 20 percent sand or perlite to even a well-drained soil. You can never add too much of these; they con only improve drainage. They dilute the nutritive value of the soil, but you can always water with soluble fertilizers.

Mixtures using many components in combination seem to work particularly well. This may be because, at a micro-level each component presents a slightly different set of physical, chemical and biological factors. What the plant can't take up at one point may be readily available at another.

Properties of Soil

The soil or growing medium serves as a source and reservoir for water, air, and nutrients, and to anchor the roots. Since marijuana grows extremely fast, it has higher water and nutritive needs than most plants grown indoors. The success of your garden depends on supplying the plant with a medium that meets its needs without creating toxic conditions in the process.

There is no such thing as the perfect soil for Cannabis. Each variety can grow within a range of soil conditions. For healthy, full, growth, marijuana prefers a medium with good drainage, high in available nutrients, and near a neutral pH (7.0). These conditions result from a complex set of physical, chemical and biological factors. We will refer to them simply as: (1) texture; (2) nutrients; (3) pH.

Most indoor growers prepare the growing medium using commercial potting mixes. These mixes are usually sterilized or pasteurized and have good general soil properties. Since they seldom list the contents, nutrients, or pH, do some simple test of your basic soil whether you buy or dig for it. Then you can adjust the soil to meet the basic requirements of the plant.

Texture

The texture of the medium determines its water-holding and draining properties. Marijuana must have a well-drained medium for healthy growth. Soils that hold too much water or hold it unevenly can drown the roots, leading to poor growth or death of the plant. In a well-drained soil the roots are in contact with air as well as water. Soils that have too much clay, or are overly rich in compost or other organic matter, tend to hold too much water and not enough air. This condition worsens in time. This is especially true of the soil in pots.

You can determine the texture of your soil from its appearance and feel. Dry soil should never cake or form crusts. Dry or slightly moist soil that feels light-weight, airy, or spongy when squeezed, and has a lot of fibrous material, will hold a lot of water. Mix it with materials which decrease its water-holding capacity, such as sand, perlite, or even kitty litter.

Wet soil should remain spongy or loose and never sticky. A wetted ball of soil should crumble or separate easily when poked.

Soil that feels heavy and looks dense with fine particulate matter, or is sandy or gritty, will benefit by being loosened and lightened with fibrous materials such as vermiculite, Jiffy Mix, or sometimes sphagnum moss.

Soil Conditioners to Improve Texture

Perlite (expanded sand or volcanic glass) is a practically weightless horticultural substitute for sand. Sand and perlite contribute no nutrients of their own and are near neutral in pH. They hold water, air, and nutrients from the medium on their irregular surfaces and are particularly good at aerating the soil.

Vermiculture (a micaceous material) and sphagnum moss contribute small amounts of their own nutrients and are near neutral in pH. They hold water, air, and nutrients in their fibre and improve the texture of sandy or fast-draining soils. Jiffy Mix, Ortho Mix, or similar mixes are made of ground vermiculite and sphagnum moss, and are fortified with a small amount of all the necessary nutrients. They are available at neutral pH, are good soil conditioners, and are also useful for germinating marijuana seeds.

Sphagnum and Peat Moss (certain fibrous plant matter) are sometimes used by growers to improve water holding and texture. Both work well in small amounts (10 to 15 percent of soil mixture). In excess, they tend to make the medium too acidic after a few months of watering. Use vermiculite or Jiffy Mix in preference to sphagnum or peat moss.
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Have a look at this...

https://www.gardenscure.com/420/plant-n ... lants.html

Looks just like your plant except it came back to life after a good watering
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i dont no much about any of this but could you change the auto drip system to a decent amoun of water ever feew days? more like you were doing it manually but just have a system set up to take care of it for you seems like the constan drip every so many hour is gona keep the soil environment the same and never get that dry or wet
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I haven't read the responses, but my main guess is that it might have formed root rot from poor drainage. It looks like your pot is maybe 3 gallons and it's only at half height with the soil. For a plant that size, it needs way more room for the roots to grow right
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