Roaches...

[Midnight Toker]

Why don't americans roll with roaches? (by the way, when i say roach, i mean filter if your american just so there aint no confusion)

I can't really see any benefit from it. I'ved smoke a few joints with no roach and in my opinion it was shit. The end got all gacked up, it didn't toke as well and the joint was less stable. Plus you lose a bit at the end or you fuck your lips.

So i was just wondering why anybody does it, is there some reason for not using a roach i don't know about?

[Beldin]

Well, you are asking the wrong question basically. Why would you bother with a roach (I'll use your term just so we don't get confused)? To make it smoke better? I can nullify that point right now, as the joints I roll (with no roaches) smoke quite nicely.

To sum up your answer very shortly:
Because there is no point and its extra work to make the roach.

I get no advantages from a roach, so I don't waste my time putting one in. Also, I am rather fond of what we refer to as roaches - I save them for when I run out of bud. They make quite a nice smoke for when you are hurting. Also, roach joints (joints rolled with the bud that was in the end of the joint) smoke slower than normal joints and get you much higher.

[weedguru tom]

i put a roach in to stop my fingers burnin` im not a huge fan of saving, its hard where i live to save them.

[Beldin]

i put a roach in to stop my fingers burnin` im not a huge fan of saving, its hard where i live to save them.

Thats only because of you smoking hash + tobacco instead of bud. Try it with a bud joint sometime.

[Midnight Toker]

Well, you are asking the wrong question basically. Why would you bother with a roach (I'll use your term just so we don't get confused)? To make it smoke better? I can nullify that point right now, as the joints I roll (with no roaches) smoke quite nicely.

To sum up your answer very shortly:
Because there is no point and its extra work to make the roach.

I get no advantages from a roach, so I don't waste my time putting one in. Also, I am rather fond of what we refer to as roaches - I save them for when I run out of bud. They make quite a nice smoke for when you are hurting. Also, roach joints (joints rolled with the bud that was in the end of the joint) smoke slower than normal joints and get you much higher.

I'm not saying joints without a roach dont smoke well if rolled correctly, im sayin the toke is better with a roach. If you put a big roach into the joint, you will get more smoke into your mouth and a bigger toke.

And i'd hardly call it extra work. It takes bout 10 seconds to cut and make a roach. Even if it's only a slightly better smoke, your telling me you can't spare 10 seconds?

And as for saving roaches, why don't you just take the same amount of bud out before you roll the joint, put it in a baggy and save it. Do this with every spliff and you will still end up with those extra spliffs for a dry day.

[tankooo1]

im american, and i roll a roach into every jay and blunt i smoke

the advantages to me are pretty clear. first, it gives the entire jay/blunt a rigid shape which makes it much easier to pass and hold. secondly, you never get bud in your mouth (always unpleasent). thirdly, i can always take bigger sustained hits from a jay/blunt with a roach. and finaly, you never waste any bud in the end.

[Substance G]

I got a question, too.
If you roll without a roach and you get to the end of your joint, what do you do with it? Eventually, it's gonna be too short to toke from.

[Midnight Toker]

I got a question, too.
If you roll without a roach and you get to the end of your joint, what do you do with it? Eventually, it's gonna be too short to toke from.

Your supposed to put it out and save the joint butt, then make a spliff out of bud left at the bottom. Sounds kinda weird to me, i'd rather smoke my spliff all the way down.

[weedguru_badass]

Sorry I must admit I'm all for roaches (UK term) too.
I'd feel a little scutty opening dead J's to make another.
I never have the feeling of absolute need for a smoke so if I dont have any then I jus dont smoke instead of opening dead ones.
I hope not to offend anybody here not sayin there is anything wrong with it.

besides it makes another part of ur spliff to individualise, make one of ur own style wot eva (not much I admit but eh... lol )

[Beldin]

And i'd hardly call it extra work. It takes bout 10 seconds to cut and make a roach. Even if it's only a slightly better smoke, your telling me you can't spare 10 seconds?

I could easily spare ten seconds. Its not the time, its the fact that I don't want a filter in my joints. I like having (our slang) roaches afterwards.

And as for saving roaches, why don't you just take the same amount of bud out before you roll the joint, put it in a baggy and save it. Do this with every spliff and you will still end up with those extra spliffs for a dry day.

I explained that already. The bud you have in (again, our slang) a roach has been run through by smoke from every toke on that joint. Joints rolled from roach weed generally burn at least twice as long, and get you really high.

Animal: Same thing. Though I like roaches for times when I am out of bud, thats not the sole reason I save them. I'm out of bud now. I could have bought another 1/2 oz yesterday, but instead I choose to smoke resin - scrape out my pipes/bongs, etc. Why? Why not? When I started smoking bud, I didn't have much, and I didn't waste any of it. Though I could easily ignore it now and smoke bud, I choose to not waste. (Our slang) roaches, which have been coated with THC, make for a much nicer smoke and get you higher. Its fun.

[Midnight Toker]

Animal: Same thing. Though I like roaches for times when I am out of bud, thats not the sole reason I save them. I'm out of bud now. I could have bought another 1/2 oz yesterday, but instead I choose to smoke resin - scrape out my pipes/bongs, etc. Why? Why not? When I started smoking bud, I didn't have much, and I didn't waste any of it. Though I could easily ignore it now and smoke bud, I choose to not waste. (Our slang) roaches, which have been coated with THC, make for a much nicer smoke and get you higher. Its fun.

As i've been trying to explain, if you use a roach you don't waste any. You smoke right down to the ''filter''

And i have got to disagree with you on it being a nicer smoke. In the interest of being objective i actually made a spliff from what you call roaches the other day. (well, i chipped out three spliffs in a row when there was about a third left and made a spliff) I found it tasted of stale smoke and got me no more high than i would of a real spliff. Granted it was slower burning, but most of my spliff are slow burning anyway, you just gotta roll em right.

[Beldin]

You are entitled to disagree with me - I really don't care if you roll with filters or not.

"As i've been trying to explain, if you use a roach you don't waste any. You smoke right down to the ''filter'' "

Where did I say a filter was wasting anything? I said I prefer not to waste, thats why I was smoking resin. Someone else here, I forget who, said that they'd never smoke roaches even if they didn't put filters in their joints because that was like scrounging - and not smoking the roaches would be a waste of bud. So yeah, if you aren't going to smoke the roach, you had best put a filter in and it isn't a waste - but if you ARE going to smoke the roach, then it actually gets you higher than just saving the bud because its been run through by THC smoke.

[Midnight Toker]

You are entitled to disagree with me - I really don't care if you roll with filters or not.

Yeah, it's pretty much down to a matter of opinion. I still don't see how it would get you higher, in fact in my experience it doesn't get you higher whatsoever but fuck it, it's your spliff.

[Beldin]

You don't see how it would get you higher? How do you *not* see? Its obvious.

Weed, in the end of the joint where you smoke from, is coated with smoke every time you take a hit. Why? Because all the smoke from the bud burning at the end of the joint goes through the joint to get to your mouth. Obviously, it doesn't all go in your lungs, a bunch of it sticks to the bud. So, when you smoke that bud, you get higher than if you had smoked the bud you set aside to put a filter in your joint.

I really don't see how you can argue that it doesn't get you higher - you keep saying it, but you don't have any REASONS, you just say "yeah well you are wrong it doesn't get you higher."

[Midnight Toker]

I really don't see how you can argue that it doesn't get you higher - you keep saying it, but you don't have any REASONS, you just say "yeah well you are wrong it doesn't get you higher."

At no point did i say that it doesn't get you higher. What i said was IN MY EXPERIENCE it didn't get ME any higher. Are you telling me i don't know how high i am when i smoke?

I see how you theory works, and yeah, it may make a little difference but it's so slight i don't see the point.

Anyway, we obviously aint gonna resolve this, it's just the way we grew up tokin. You don't use a roach, that's not my problem, i was just wonderin why people do it.